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  • Shingro 5:18 pm on February 17, 2012 Permalink
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    I’m not sure how wild I am about segregated conversations as much, we’re already a funny little hole on the internet, a funny little hole in a funny little hole at some point I worry it’d be just me alone with a dakimakura in the dark going “What was that? The wiiiiind? o___o” besides, how would it be set up? I’m Fighting game/JRPG/eroge Nerd+ but I’m a VN/Shooter-RPG Enthusiast and Shooter/rhythm-Casual. Perhaps a ‘depth discussion’ area? I’m not sure what that would be, I mean, if you found the Squad at all you can cut it in some level of nerd discussion on one topic or another even if you aren’t a specialist. Isn’t the amalgam of everyone sorta the point of the squad? Why would we sequester the more hardcore conversation away from eyes? I would weep if I saw the front of the board having “nope, far too serious discussion, pack it up and move it in the thread” policed on the squawkbox.

    I suppose we could have a wall of text area and link to it from the front page, but I’d still regret the exposure loss, if I had to convince people first to go to a separate thread ’cause I had a bizarre pitch to talk about, I’m not sure people would have really got into it. Still, maybe it could work. Maybe pitches could remain on the front and the depth of the game becomes a focused thread? It’d keep the last “Srs buisness” thoughts up until someone else came by with more thoughts which is a good thing too. I’m sure there’s plenty wonderful text walls buried on the second page.

    If we do sequester things I think the rules for when you need to post over there are a little loose, like ‘you can still discuss things on the main board if you like’ otherwise we’ll lose that remaining ‘gestalt’ effect where people all gravitate towards a Dark Souls or an Elevator or The Stanley Parable because they saw interesting stuff on it. My fear is that people won’t even know they were interested in the fragment threads until the discussion has long since moved on. Christina Love’s stuff kinda suffered a fate like that it seemed.

    Either way, we’ll figure it out, we always do. I just get leery when it sounds like being very into something is a mark against someone. Sorta like someone pulled out a ‘we don’t take kindly to yer folks ’round these parts’.’ Even if you aren’t the target, it starts making you antsy, especially if your interests are deemed ‘fringe’ in the first place. The way I figure it is that any time you start to dislike a wide group of people, occam’s razor implies that the problem isn’t with the group. Are all sports fans insufferable and loud, or am I just judging sports fans by a wide, unfair brush? Probably the latter. Even the worst kind of ‘golf nerd’ (though I only tangentially know what you’re talking about) is trying to help people somewhere in their head even if it’s coming out as a rage-filled ‘you’re doing it wrong’ rant. Even the Barkley pumps for as madhouse as they are are basically offering advice and trying to help people make decisions, and just care too much to be rational and consider their audience. Enthusiasm is the heart of the squad, but the best analysis comes from the nerds, we can’t lose that.

    If ‘nerd territory’ doesn’t have anything to do with the density and depth of the analysis then I’m not sure why there needs to be a caution at all, as far as I know no one’s been unduly pushy or dismissive of anyone else’s enthusiasm nor has anyone been pushy about ‘you MUST play this way/this game/whatever.’ That being said, I can understand why people don’t like it when their favorite hangout spot and group is all abuzz with things they aren’t interested in, then again, what does that really mean and for who? If people start to go all abuzz with madden or modern warfare or something I’m not interested in do they have to go to the depth discussion area, or is it just for esoteric ‘weird’ things? What is the centering voice of the squad since we have such wide, sometimes opposite, interests? Is this just a call to be ‘more mainstream?’ is it a call to not drop quite so large walls of text? I don’t actually know what the problem is, but I worry about regulating some amount of the squad to a smaller lunch table. Still, I’ll try anything once, maybe something good will come of it.

     
  • Shingro 12:58 am on February 17, 2012 Permalink
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    Hmm, this is touching on a point that has been niggling at my brain recently so I think it’s time to get out the soapbox and that tri-corner hat again, over the ridge!

    For myself I’ll back feen but I’ll also say that regardless of what group you belong to there’s a far more graduated sliding scale of it. I’ve met ‘enthusiasts’ who seem only pleased to talk about what they don’t like about their hobby, and ‘nerds’ who can rationally talk about a topic. Attitude has far more to do with who is willing to go after people and enthusiams then the level of ‘hardcore-ness’ you bring to your hobby. I’ll describe myself as an otaku, but I’m a rational otaku, I’m more then happy to say what’s good about what I enjoy, but there’s nothing wrong with what other people enjoy, be it shooting/sports/whatever.

    If you tell me the concept of ‘moe’ is a pox upon the human race, great, sounds like the starting point for a good discussion. Paint ‘weeabo’ on my door in blood, well… I probably won’t be happy with you exactly, but neither is that a reason to hate the whole group of whatever that person belongs to. Similarly, no reason to paint all nerds with the same brush just because some of them lack any tact or are unable to get distance from their own fandoms. A high level of enthusiasm for a topic or item does not necessarily make your very nature insufferable. (or at least that’s how I see it, I suppose it is possible to hate the nature of enthusiasm, but I don’t think any of them would survive here, wrong PH levels. Just to find the squad you have to be a pretty hardcore enthusiast (that includes you feen )

    And there’s still so many missions waiting out there… I don’t think we’ve ever talked any Microprose, Space Quest, Kings Quest, Police Quest and how that informed things like Heroes Quest/Quest for Glory(depending on how early you got it.) I don’t think many missions even poked at the early console days. There’s a lot of history left in gaming and I don’t think it is getting looked at. Now, more then ever things are starting to draw back to that cyclical area, and the old is becoming more relevant then ever. Even looks at modern things with that informed awareness of the past is important.

    Tim Schafer’s Kickstarter showing that maybe the problem with Telltale games isn’t an intrinsic problem with the genre. the X-com and Syndicate reboots, and how x-com got a sequel Them taking another stab at tactical x-com even! The indie space too is a veritable primordial soup of new ideas and evolutions of gaming just aching to find it’s way to dry land. Biggest winner of game of the year 2011? Portal 2, but Portal 1 was a school project a scattering of years ago. now you can’t move for indie-made-big games (bastion, minecraft, terraria, etc.)

    We are (or at least were) all about the really deep dive to end all deep dives. I challenge you to find another gaming podcast anywhere on the internet that talked about how Persona 3 was related to the ancient story telling history of the Tarot, (if someone does, by all means pass me a link. =P) It is (or was) our most unique and interesting feature it was “The Mission” to find games that no one talked about and talk about them, and it seems somewhere along the way as the squad grew it picked up enough ‘specialists’ to

    I dunno, the squad is made up of everyone, we sometimes roll up for the most casual of suggestions “Hey guys, dead space 2 is pretty good, give it a try!” and sometimes we drop walls of text on the nature of life as seen through the lens of gaming. both are totally fine, and we all have perspectives to speak at the table, be welcome here =) but I will shed tears if the deep analysis goes away, because there are still important things left to say. If not us, who?

    Sure we don’t necessarily have the people and expertise for a full and comprehensive review of everything that has ever been done in gaming, but we’re a pretty damn sight further and more comprehensive then anyone else I’ve seen. Besides, isn’t that sort of the purpose of being a squad in the first place? Different people have different specialties, and if you don’t know, it’s likely you have access to someone who does, and if you’re lucky if they’re a real die hard true blue nerd they’ll be so excited to talk about it they’ll drop everything to talk about it for free. It won’t always be 100% right out of the gate, and maybe we won’t even have the right specialists… but it’s a starting point, and if someone rages for an inaccuracy that’s just another opportunity for a great and enlightening conversation. Where else can you say that happens regularly?

    TL:DR. The otakus are not always creepy, the nerds not always insufferable, some of us are rational and reasoned. Don’t shut us out, we just love some things very much, even the insufferable nerds at the core ‘only want to help you make the right choice’ misguided, not bad. The squad is made of all kinds, including nerds and nerd-kings. No reason to keep the squad ❤ from any particular people, they're more complicated then you might think. I'm pretty sure that everyone in the squad is here in good faith which is why we can talk between all levels of enthusiasm. Also: I love our unique brand of analysis and the amazing depth and perspectives some of you guys can take while looking at things. I hope beyond hope that always remains part of the squad.

     
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