@beige I just want to put my hand on this guy’s shoulder and say “Indy, let it go”.
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@beige [Citizen Kane clapping .gif] I just finished and I couldn’t have said it better myself. “This is not where I would have gone with it, but OK.” was my final evaluation at the credits roll. THINGS MAKE SENSE NOW. CLOSURE. NO MORE SLIMY DLC MESSAGE. A proper ending to a series that deserved at least that much.
There are some things that still bug me, and I so badly wanted this to be the most amazing ending ever (perhaps unfairly so) that there will still be lingering disappointment, but it’s such a wonderful ride, and a ride that now has an ENDING.
Mission accomplished, Extended Cut, I can like Mass Effect again.
@Shingro Well Activision doesn’t exactly own Blizzard. They merged. Their contract with Bungie looks like pretty much exactly the arrangement EA has with Crytek.
My problem with BioWare these days is that they seem to put too much energy into making the game they think will please people. They seemed to be doing better when they were making the games they wanted to make.
I think Pete’s pretty spot on with this one. I expect it’ll be a fallout-y type of thing referencing all those flags they set through the previous games. I’m over it, though until contradicting evidence I now believe EA is willing to push things out before they’re ready and will give that heavy weight when deciding whether to be there Day 1 or not.
Really the most fascinating thing is probably how this changes their relationship and how they position the game. It’ll be fascinating to see what they do with DA3 and/or more ME stuff. Already the ads for ME3 have the tagline “It’s the destination, not the journey” whoever was arguing ‘don’t ship it’ has some hefty internal clout now I’d expect… maybe!
In some way, what’s happening between EA/Bioware is Alternate Future fiction of what could have happened between Blizzard/Activision (or Bungie/Activision now that their fairly generous contract terms have been revealed) I really wouldn’t have pegged Activision as the company to be generous with release scheduals that’s for sure c_c
I’m going the Jedi route and not expecting anything from this new ME3 thing. The only reason I’m even gonna play it is probably because I bought the PC version and the DLC will likely automatically install as soon as I bother to boot up Origin. Honestly, I don’t think they can fix things very much by adding content after the ending takes place. My problem with it was that ME3’s ending felt like an ass-pull. Very little in the game (and the trilogy) felt like it was building up to that kind of ending, but let’s not get into that.
@bowlisimo You’re still rocking the PS2 version of RE4? Man. If that’s the only console you still own though then I guess it’s fine… maybe. If I recall correctly you own a PS3 as well. In that case, the PSN HD edition is the definitive one.
Oh wait I just reread your post you haven’t played it yet?!. God damn man. I don’t know how good Viva Piniata is but RE4 is pretty fucking high up on my all time games list. ALL TIME. Am I seriously going to have to do a mini “squad sell” on it?
Blergh, Mass Effect 3.
Here’s my prediction:
BioWare will do something that satisfies some people and sends others into a miasma of seething rage. Both groups will argue about it until blue in the face, then games journalists will step in on one side or the other and make arrogant, condescending comments that generalise the whole community as having the exact same viewpoint and therefore being somehow “entitled”. And I will WANT TO KILL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD WITH FIRE AGAIN.
@beige To be fair to the guy that made both videos (which were well done), it wasn’t really a hope-athon. He was only interested in exploring all the indoc. theory evidence one by one and judging the plausibility (with a mostly open mind). His message at the end of it all was that regardless of whether or not the theory turns out to be true, Bioware needs to shore up some of the inconsistencies and plot holes in the last 10 minutes or a lot of Bioware fans will not be fans of them anymore.
Anyway, aside from the interesting evidence, a lot of that stuff just felt like,”Oh come on, they just reused that tree because they didn’t want to waste time making a new one.”
One funny thing I didn’t know about, image for final scene was taken from this (released early last decade), also note the name of the song. Geez. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm82gjZDIDU
So… anyone give a rat’s about the ME3 extended cut releasing tomorrow? I thought I was over it, and in many ways I am, but I sort of accidentally watched all ~4 hours of this youtube theory video that rekindled an ember of hope (god damn it). As someone who disliked the ending, here’s where my expectation lies at the moment:
60% Its neither good nor bad. You can still believe whatever you want to believe (headcanon, episodes I,II,III and Crystal Skull don’t exist, etc)
30% Its worse (how they explain it makes the ending even more dumb, fans go berserk again)
9.9% Its marginally better (“well, ok, I guess that makes sense”)
.09% ME3 will be exonerated and uplifted as the greatest game series ever made
.00999999999999% ME3 will be exonerated and uplifted as the greatest game series ever made, New York holds a ticker tape parade.
.00000000000001% ME3 will be exonerated and uplifted as the greatest game series ever made, George Washington and Teddy Roosevelt come back from the dead to tagteam save America from itself and Mech/Space sims become popular and lucrative again.
I think those are reasonable, no? Actually, I could probably put “fans go berserk again” after most of those.
I don’t even have the game installed, so maybe I’ll wait for reports to even bother. Guess we’ll see tomorrow.
@cgrajko No more Demon’s Souls?
I finally finished ME3! Hey.. Where’d the spoiler thread go? 😦
Wow, Capcom really lucked out with this ME3 thing going down, Asura’s wrath features a normal end and a ‘true end’ which is a cliff hanger (sort of ‘oh man here’s the REAL boss!’). I figured that was them setting up a sequel, but they just announced that a DLC pack of episodes (19-22) which wraps that up will be sold in April for $6.99 (trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ADe2vYUbWc )
Yup, Capcom had ‘ending DLC’ in the pipeline since before ME3 hit the scene. If this hit while Capcom’s fan’s attention was all on their semi-exploitations like DR2: Off the Record, MvC3 -> UMvC3 and SFxT omni-gem DLC I think it’d go real real nasty for them. Overall though it doesn’t seem to be making much of a blip on the record.
hell, for myself thinking something like ‘well, would I rather see a whole new game to answer this question for 59.99$ or would I rather pay another $6.99 for a smaller conclusion?” I can’t seem to get up any real emotional ire (even if I don’t think I’ll bite)
Then again, the other way to see it is ‘wait, this game had a really small turn around, Capcom wasn’t in any particular rush… why didn’t they release it as a full game with this final boss inside the game?
Then again, if the answer was just removing that final ‘secret’ scene from the game and making radio silence is that better?
If there IS an Asura’s Wrath 2, does it start from before the DLC or after the DLC? maybe this is a new production model
I guess it’s nice to know that the ME3 thing just forsped this conversation
So! This is the discussion I’m kinda curious about, what’s hotshit and what’s horseshit?
Also: sorry for being absent for the last several days, papers to write, tests to pass >_> things will stop sucking soon I promise!
Lots of shit has bad endings, and it never get’s changed. Mass Effect 2 for instance. Why should this?
@cgrajko I think your best bet would be to watch them on youtube and not scroll to see the comments, almost all analysis I’ve seen has a position associated with it which would bias the material.
besides one of the primary complaints I’ve heard is about their similarity, and that doesn’t come over well in text form
Heavily disagree personally
Trouble with that is if no one was complaining things wouldn’t be changing, and now, for better or for worse something is happening with DLC, triple A franchises, and fan expectations. The nature of where games exist in relationship to the consumer is changing and if you’re interested in where games go you should be paying attention. If nothing else you gotta believe that internal structures at EA and Bioware are trying to find a method to make sure stuff this crazy doesn’t happen again. This is basically a forced confrontation with the question “How much of this product is a product and how much is art? If a major company produces mainstream, mass market art, how much do they consider the reaction to it? Now that no product is ever completely finished, how much should they change?”
It could go good, the publisher could take the position that the goodwill caused by funding things like the From Ashes DLC and then giving it out free is worth goodwill in the bank. If my suspicions about the ending being half baked is true then this could be a serious push against the instinct to get a selling product out as fast as possible, letting Bioware cook their games fully to avoid these DA2 Maps/ME3 Ending shenanigans. They’re in serious danger of losing the public trust of a significant portion of their user base, and don’t tell me it’s a few people crying because they didn’t get their ice cream at the end. If I went on a forum and bitched about the ending of the Witcher 2 or Portal 2 or any of a dozen games I’d be met with fire and brimstone. When the reaction to your product is from ‘okay I guess’ to ‘I hate everything forever’ something went pretty wrong.
It could go bad, they could sell you a new ending and make a mint, maybe in the future they sell a full host of endings like the XIII joke endings or the Chrono Trigger developer endings. Maybe they put a stringent review and focus group process in for *narrative* making all future games super safe middle of the road stuff. Maybe they become extremely gun shy about challenging narratives.
or maybe they take the fan ending and make it canon, what would that mean for future games? What would fan expectation be then?
To be fair, it’s totally fair to have the response ‘Imma cash out’ but I don’t think it’s helpful to the medium if you still love whatever it is that has the problem. If people just moved out of country instead of stood up and complained where would politics be?
Personally Bioware has already lost my Day 1 Dollars since the lacking quality of DA2 so it’s not a biggie to me, but as a gamer who interacts with companies and buys their products I respect and support people complaining. That *doesn’t necessarily mean a redress of grievances* In fact I think the only thing that could happen at this point that would be worse then what’s already happened is for them to sell a new ending.
Either way you can’t just shout “Entitled!” and throw a blanket over the fanbase as if it’s 2 guys with a half dozen accounts, this reaction is way way bigger then that. $73,000 has been put up just to put a bullet point on *a complaint*
on the internet
people are PAYING to COMPLAIN on the INTERNET.
I mean, jesus FORBES is writing articles on this stuff ( http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/ )
Don’t tell me this is just entitled children. I can recognize a cultural event when I see it, and gamers are part of my culture, so I get to care how this turns out.
It would be great if you could just call the people whiners for wanting a better ending, but you can’t. The ending they gave in ME3 didn’t even make sense for the universe, let alone closure, which is the culmination of a trend at BioWare that began a few years ago. That they can remove and add things to their games at the whim of the writers without regard for the already established lore. It was something David Gaider even said they had the right to do himself.
I didn’t personally play ME3, but I did spoil most of the game for myself. I promised I would never play a Mass effect game after 2. I felt betrayed from the very beginning and my concerns weren’t alleviated at all later on. I’d really like to go into detail, but I don’t want to spoil anything and I don’t have time to stick around. Suffices to say the more you care about the mass effect universe, the less and less you’ll like any of them after the first game.
I’ll leave you with these two articles that sort of reflect my feelings on ME3 and the franchise in general
Also yeah if they release DLC that fixes it, unless it’s free, they prove everything that’s wrong with the industry. There’s no redemption for them in my mind, time to move on and regain consumer trust with a new project.
@bowlisimo DLC should never have to be a crutch. I would not like to see a world were every major release needs that crutch. That said lots of games have bad endings. Hell, very few have good endings. Before this generation people just lived with it. Perhaps now the Director’s Cut mentality is given a new platform.
I don’t like the idea of paying solely for an ending, that would suck. If its just an ending, make it free.
I would more likely pay for the kinds of improvements we see in a Witcher: enhanced edition (nevermind that CDprojekt is awesome and gives that stuff out for free). Not that I think a Director’s Cut should ever be a go to scheme for making money, just sometimes you want to see a great game become better.
ME3 was a great game. I will not deny it that status.
Full refunds? That’s insane.
(no spoilers) I thought ME3 was excellent (seriously, it was awesome)… until the last 10 minutes, which I thought was mishandled and disappointing in several ways. The real travesty, in my mind, is the complete lack of closure. I don’t even care if it’s a total downer ending or super happy ending, but tell me where everyone ended up, what happened as a result of my actions? Just give me anything, like text with portraits. You spend so much time with these characters and in that universe, it doesn’t make any sense. God, Call of Pripyat had more closure than ME3 did. Hell, one of their own games with a similar premise, Dragon Age: Origins, had a better ending that worked.
Note: I’m not going around and signing petitions, or joining “Take Back Mass Effect”, or asking for a refund. I can live with what they chose, it’s their story, but I agree with Jeff Gerstmann, Mass Effect deserved better.
Curious to see what move Bioware makes next, since they say they’re listening. I’m not even sure how I feel about having the ending changed after the fact. What are they going to do, have a THE REAL ENDING DLC that I have to pay more money for? Closure DLC = $9.99. At that point, everything horrible about DLC and game narrative that @beige prophesied years ago will have come to pass. The 7th trumpet will sound, and lo, Pete will sit on his high horse handing out paper slips that say “I told you so!” as the world burns.
Hooooooly shit @_@ What did the squad think of the endings btw? I didn’t see much about it in the ME3 thread before it sunk away
Also. as long as we’re talking links and Japanicide and such. I’d like to submit some evidence for why Japanese takes on american culture can be pretty rad and that judging their development only by the handful of things that are localized for us is not the whole story
Xbox 1 game. now tell me you wouldn’t buy that.
RPS posts a spoileriffic piece about From Ashes. Their verdict was thus:
“You will most likely want the intriguing new character in your story, I think, but worthwhile a companion as they are, they fall a long way short of living up to the gosh-wow concept they’re introduced as and they really aren’t a game-changer for either ME3′s plot or its mechanics – and at that price, they probably should be.”
They also noted that it’s very noticeable that something is missing if you don’t have it — a prominent gap in the squad menus; a room in the Normandy that remains steadfastly empty.
A commenter also noted that the character in question was present and correct in that leaked script that did the rounds a few months ago.
ME3 PC players, time to whore yourself out for more scraps from EA’s table.
God, will I feel like such a chump (other than I normally do), if that’s the case.
@angryjedi should ups ever deign to deliver my game, i’ll offer you as unbiased an opinion as i am able.
Why…. why did I get the games shipped through UPS? I could be playing it digitally right now, and not be left wondering why my UPS is telling me they delivered my package but I cannot find it anywhere. The rage.
You have no idea. That will teach me for trying to save bandwidth.
@redswir1 Wow, that’s a massively huge and fucking dumb oversight on Bioware’s part.
@angryjedi Make sure you play with another Portal 2 coop virgin. The fun of that was working it out with someone else who had no clue either. Some of those leaps of logic are amazing.
@UMD I missed out on the original XCOM, and tried playing Terror from the Deep on Steam and it was nigh impenetrable in this day and age without reading a multipage text file @beige wrote. I’m really pulling for Firaxis’ take on that game because I love the concept.
@tolkoto You have to at least have a face code from ME2. Even then, people are reporting severely altered faces when they make it to ME3.
@tolkoto Well shit. If you kept the same Shepard face all the way from ME1, you can’t import it into ME3 since it doesn’t have an ME2 face code. It’ll still import the character, but not their face. BioWare already admitted that you’ll have to remake it completely.
Fear not, guys, Mass Effect 3 is Mass Effect. Go forth and enjoy.
Why don’t they ever drop these things on a Friday?
@Scribl So… you played those things but they aren’t registered to your account? Damn. Well, my physical PC copy is still installing. I’ll probably only get like five minutes in before falling asleep on my keyboard.
Actually, hearing that makes me glad I didn’t switch my save file over to 360 (I’ve heard there are ways to do that), since I then would’ve had to buy basically all ME DLC again on 360 in order to transfer that file over.
*sigh* For some goddamned reason I have decided to brave the midnight lines of GameStop. I just don’t like waiting, and by the time I pre ordered it was the only place that still had the special edition on PC.
@bowlisimo my copy is in the hands of ups now. Godspeed, N7 Collectors Edition. Godspeed.
Haha, I just unlocked my Origin version of ME3 six hours early. Thanks internet. The best part is, Bioware said they won’t ban anyone for it.
I’m rollin’ through the galaxy on PC as well.
@ajguy I’m part of the PC crew, we’ll have to get an anti Reaper Squad squad going. I plan to do that shit while I’m still in the thick of things.
Mass Effect 3: “The Eloquent Shepard”
A Spoiler-filled Squad Discussion
Let’s just play it and talk about it, Squad-style. We’re going to anyway. Let’s keep it tidy.
WARNING: Read this if you plan on using your 360 cloud save!!
OK, we need a ME3 sticky that’s fully loaded with spoilers.
EDIT: Done, see above.
@ajguy My Shepard lives on the Xbox.
So what platform is everyone getting this on? I’m curious to see who I’ll be fighting waves of enemies with on the PC version.
@beige There are a lot of dumb preorder bonuses like guns, but it doesn’t seem to be that big of a difference unless you’re going for CE vs Reg. Right now Amazon is giving out 10 dollar store credit for preordering with them. I haven’t found anything better, at least for PC anyway.
I have to say, I’m with @shingro and @scribl. Perception is what matters, and if some people feel they are being ripped off, that is a problem. It’s not about “adjusting expectations” or other marketingspeak to make them believe that they’re actually getting a good deal, it’s about doing things which don’t cause this situation to arise in the first place.
I have to say, I still find it quite astonishing that consumers are willing to defend these practices. We as consumers do not have to answer to shareholders, and they sure as hell aren’t going to give us benefits for loyalty. The more people accept practices like this because their desire to play a game is greater than their disappointment at the business model under which it’s sold, the more it continues. It’s a self-perpetuating cycle.
While it may be true that some studios lay off a bunch of staff after they’ve finished a product, I find it difficult to believe that EA and BioWare are in that position. BioWare, after all, has what looks like the biggest MMO since WoW going on right now, and given the similarities between it and Mass Effect, it’s not unreasonable to assume that any Mass Effect team members left twiddling their thumbs could go and assist the Old Republic team on new content. It’s an MMO — it always needs new content.
Similarly, EA isn’t exactly short of cash. The company made $252 million from mobile gaming alone last year (source) — and if you’ve ever played EA’s mobile games you’ll know that an awful lot of them wouldn’t have cost very much to make while providing potentially huge profits. Where does that extra profit go? Into the company’s pockets. Making Mass Effect 3 won’t have bankrupted them, so they don’t need to make DLC in order to “survive”. They’re doing it because they can, and because people are willing to pay for it.
I’ve said it a number of times before: just because you can do it doesn’t mean you should.
We touched on this point in the Katawa Shoujo podcast, actually — the difference between games which are designed as “products” and games which are designed as “creative works” (or, if you prefer, the “A” word). The upset a lot of people (including myself) are feeling stems from the fact that historically, BioWare titles have been associated with more towards the “creative/artistic” end of the spectrum thanks to their good writing and stories. Mass Effect is a great universe — I’ve heard it described in several places as being of similar importance to the worlds of Star Trek and Star Wars — and it should be appreciated as such, but that becomes difficult when it becomes treated like one of those product lines of the 1990s. In other words, it becomes a product to be sold in as many ways as possible, rather than an extended fictional universe to be explored in a creative manner.
I also agree with @redswir1. I’d find all this bollocks much more palatable if 1) this day 1 DLC bullshit didn’t happen and 2) if we returned to the days of expansion packs. I’d happily buy a Mass Effect expansion pack that offered another 10-20 hours of gameplay as a quasi-“sequel” to the main story (think Throne of Bhaal vs Baldur’s Gate II, or even Awakening vs Dragon Age) rather than, as @bluesforbuddha pointed out earlier, content which you have to either replay the game for or wait until it’s all been released.
Think about it. ME2’s DLC Arrival is, from what I have read, regarded as A Bit Rubbish despite leading in to ME3. How much better could it have been if instead of piecemeal episodes, we got a fully-designed expansion pack that offered a properly-realised interstitial story between ME2 and ME3, incorporating all the cool stuff from the good DLC (such as Lair of the Shadow Broker) as well as a fleshed-out plot and gameplay that didn’t feel like a cash-in? Those who had already played through the game wouldn’t feel irritated that they’d “missed out” on stuff and then feel obliged to replay the game (when perhaps they might not have wanted to) and BioWare/EA would be happy because 1) their teams would have something substantial to work on even during/after the main game’s release and 2) dedicated fans of the series would happily pay, what, $25 for this package, helping them to turn an extra profit after the game had been released. Release the expansion as a digital-only offering (or a retail box with a CD key for those who don’t have their consoles hooked up to the Internet — those people are still out there) and you can even make sure that money goes straight to the publisher rather than into GameStop’s pocket.
OK, I love you guys BUT remember, there’s a value attached to your time. The time you all have spent belly-aching about the ME3 DLC farce equates to the retail cost of about 3 special editions. You guys are silly.
Mass Effect 3 is the one game this year that I’ll pay retail for with a smile on my face. That art book (and some figures) will also be owned. That’s all I have to say about that.
Yeah, I think it’s time we all flaunt @unmanneddrone-made avatars. It’s the Squad Sig v2.0.
@redswir1 The biggest point that Biscuit makes in that video is that — potentially, at least (we don’t know details of how much content this DLC offers) — this squadmate could be significantly more important to the plot than, say, Zaeed, who was utterly disposable and forgettable — he didn’t even have proper dialogue scenes with Shepard.
Without delving into spoilers for those who haven’t watched the video, let’s just say that the lore of the series means that this new DLC character’s background could potentially have huge importance to the setting as a whole. If this turns out to be the case, not including it on the disc is bullshit — and forcing people to pony up either an additional $10 for the DLC or $20 for the Collector’s Edition is also horseshit.
If the character turns out to not be important, conversely, it’s a massive wasted opportunity in lore terms.
We’ll see, I guess. I have plenty to be playing to be able to safely ignore ME3, anyway.
@wrdsmth As someone who is currently wasting all his time on trying to re-play Mass Effect 2 TWICE, I don’t feel like that new squadmate is gonna be THAT important to the game. Zaeed and Kasumi were really just auxiliary characters, if that (though the Kasumi pack is really useful for infiltrator Shepard). Honestly, none of these standard editions I’ve bought has felt incomplete without these microtransactions.
@cgrajko @unmanneddrone @angryjedi I played the Asura’s Wrath demo, and honestly it felt like I could just watch a YouTube run of the full game and get the same amount of entertainment, treating it like an anime series made on UE3. There just wasn’t enough gameplay there. I’ll admit, there was a split second during one battle where I seriously felt like I was participating in an anime fight scene, not unlike Zone of the Enders 2, but it passed.
I guess that’s what I should expect, seeing as CC2 is mostly known anime tie-in games that are shockingly close to the source material.
@wrdsmth Pretty much sums up how I’m feeling about ME3 right now. I won’t be buying it for the reasons Biscuit outlines there. I know not everyone here agrees with that, and we’ve had several discussions on this matter (and even a podcast a while back!) — but for me, that sort of thing crosses a line.
@unmanneddrone I’ve never had a problem with QTEs, to be honest. The best fights in Shenmue were QTEs and, if done well, they can be very satisfying. I thought Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy’s and Heavy Rain’s were good, and Asura’s Wrath follows a similar sort of pattern, I believe — heavily choreographed scenes where you’re expected to “help” rather than directly control. I don’t know. I think I’m in a minority feeling like this, but I don’t mind ’em. 🙂
@feenwager I say at least do the motion comic, if for no other reason than to have Wrex be alive for ME3.
Actually, from what I’ve seen so far, the choices you make in ME1 will probably have more impact on ME3 than 2.
@beige Ok, “extremely terrified” is overstating it a bit, let’s call it “increasingly worried”.
If that statement in the article you linked means, “This is where the shit hits the fan”, then OK. If it means, “All that you did will be forgotten so as to not alienate new people”, then…*nerd rage*.
Gaming is so weird. Do other forms of media try as hard to accommodate newcomers every step of the way, even in the final act? I dunno, I feel like at some point you should say “fuck you, catch up!” to the new people, but I guess that doesn’t equal dollar signs.
Mass Effect 3 should be the climax (duh), the culmination of everything that has come before it. Shepard has been through some serious shit to get where he is at the end of ME2. Bonds were made and broken, love had and lost, entire species eradicated or saved. What came before should inform how the characters act and amplify the emotional impact of the last game. To have all of that wiped clean and forgotten or boiled down to a “Thx for saving us, lol” email again? What a waste. (I have no idea if that’s what they’re doing, I’m avoiding spoilers, real or fake)
Geez, maybe my expectations are unrealistic. Kotaku says shut up, it’s a already a weird game with talking jellyfish and interspecies sex.
I just hope they don’t make Mass Effect 3 Origin exclusive. If they do I’ll… probably buy the retail special edition, but I’ll be pissed off about it!
Cool. I’m going to have to go through the mix again with all of the submitter commentary.
@Pete One of the last things I ever cared about was Mass Effect multiplayer. That game is all about the immersion for me. Now that they’ve revealed it to be separate to Shepard’s story, co-op “fight and affect the larger galactic war” kind of stuff, I’m a little bit more intrigued. If there’s some actual depth to it, it could be pretty awesome. If it’s do these 5 missions over and over again, forget it.
The guy on the video I watched said you could attain all of the multiplayer stuff from singleplayer, so I’m not too worried about being forced to co-op for a certain ending.
@angryjedi I actually don’t have a problem with ME3 multiplayer. I have yet to see specifics on gameplay, but I dig the idea that it integrates in some way with the campaign. Ill probably play through normally the first time, and get the different ending after dicking around with the multiplayer the second time.
So far it seems like the multiplayer is more than an afterthought. It is also being handled by the newly formed Bioware Montreal I believe, so no dev time was taken away from the campaign from what I understand. Groovy.