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  • Shingro 1:45 am on December 9, 2012 Permalink
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    @Sinfony SLAY THE HERETIC! D:<

    Naw, I hear ya. though I suspect as bowli mentioned that a lot of it is because the medium is young and it's major players aren't risk takers with the stakes involved

    that being said I feel like the industry is getting restless, things like spec ops:the line, and such are tentitively exploring new ground, heck even CoD decided it needed branching paths and suchlike.

    I think this conversation might be very interesting to revisit after the release of Bioshock Infinite assuming the legends about it are true.

    Either way, the medium is all about interactivity, there is no shame in preferring that particular element of it =P

  • bowlisimo 6:11 pm on May 9, 2012 Permalink
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    Ouch, Bioshock Infinite moved to February 2013.

    @beige I want to. I’d love to hang out with Geralt some more. They’re not all translated, right?

    Also, yes to Diablo III.

  • RedSwirl 12:56 am on September 24, 2010 Permalink
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    @unmanneddrone Right back at you. If I wanted that, I’d just go read some more DMZ.

    If you haven’t, it’s a DC Vertigo comic that basically takes the current situation in Baghdad and transplants it to New York City. It’s about a second American Civil War where Manhattan Island has become a demilitarized zone at a point of stalemate – with over a million people still living on it.

    Similarly it depicts pretty amazing stories of practicality and resourcefulness set in a crumbling version of the world we recognize. More importantly though, it’s set against an earthly backdrop that, if nothing else, makes you think.

    On the subject of Ken Levine games though, could anyone else not help thinking about the Riddle of Steel from Conan when playing System Shock 2?

  • unmanneddrone 12:25 am on September 24, 2010 Permalink
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    @JeffGrubb Maybe I’m in the minority, but I can certainly enjoy involving myself within a political philosophy I hate, only for the fact it’s a fervour you can’t find elsewhere. It’s the comfort zone shattering that really makes a difference. On a very base level, it’s why I dig the characters of Kane & Lynch, they’re far from hero material, so far from the acceptable idea of protagonist that it’s abhorrent to step into their shoes. On a more sophisticated level, national socialism manifested itself in such an horrific manner and nobody would consider it a productive inspiration outside of dictators and fascists, but all its encompassing dogma and facets were intertwined with massive industrial output and technological breakthroughs within the space of two decades – which makes me head spin and marvel at what a people can do under an efficient machine with a very dark side.

    I utterly despise this tea party movement, not that it has massive ramifications back in Australia – there’s already an underclass of bigots and racists, we’re essentially South Africa with kangaroos, pre-ANC – but I do find it fascinating that American religiosity finds itself a part of the neocon arsenal and that large parts of the American socio-economic groups find themselves agreeing with an ultra-right wing political position. It’s enthralling to see, especially since the global economic crisis and subsequent recession has been hijacked to bull-run resentment to a conservative cause. Sickening, considering the murky free marketeering Reaganomics attitude held prior.

    But we’ll see. I’d like to some subtle balance within Infinite. I agree with Austin Williams, progress has become a slightly dirty word in the era of sustainability in certain forms. The excess of Columbia and its brilliant showcase of technology and spirit – much like Rapture – should not be seen solely as gratuitous and the product of Randian overreach. I hope the glorious ambition is showcased and recognised.

    @RedSwirl Interestingly enough, there were sections of the Russian criminal underworld who engaged in cyberwarfare within the Georgian infrastructure just as Russian armour rolled over the border. I’d like to know which levels of the military sought out those business channels.

    It’s good you’re being inspired to research more about the international climate via games, but it works the other way around for me. There’s plenty of good podcasts, books and documentaries on history and current events that games come into it as a way to expand my understanding within novel tangibility.

    Just to be clear, I’m not looking into Homefront for its geo-political story – if I wanted that, I’d break out Supreme Ruler 2010 and write it myself – I’m there for the small potatoes background. Aspects of Whitley Streiber’s Warday and that Jericho cheesefest TV show fall into it. I want to see and interact with a group of people rediscovering DIY practicality. I don’t need Megaton or a pack of zombies to be involved. If the game turns out to be tepid, but the scenery and detail alright, then I’ll be happy enough. Anyway, it’s still got a while to bake.

  • Jeff Grubb 11:31 pm on September 23, 2010 Permalink
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    I am super busy. About to get in the shower in my hotel room in SF before I go out to see Medal of Honor.

    I’ll re-engage in this convo once I have some more time.


    @unmanneddrone I didn’t say people couldn’t enjoy something they disagree with, I said people can’t enjoy something that spouts a political philosophy that they hate. Hate being the operative word. That hatred will override and taint any other qualitative analysis of a piece of work.

  • feenwager 11:24 pm on September 23, 2010 Permalink
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    I think it speaks to the relatively uninspired holiday lineup that we’re all so stoked about Bioshock: infinite.

    It does look mighty sweet, though.

  • unmanneddrone 12:29 pm on September 23, 2010 Permalink
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    @RedSwirl Oh, believe me, I’m someone who doesn’t suffer any sort of geopolitical narrative nonsense lightly, and while the premise of a reunited Korea snowballing into an aggressor that somehow is able to project force into the United States is laughable, it might be worth suggesting you read some George Friedman books…while he misses the mark on a lot of things, it highlights just how fast things change despite the contrary being a prevalent view.

    However, it’s not so much the exact details of who and why I’m interested in…it’s the idea. Looking at that demo, seeing some interesting ideas of survival and ingenuity is what’s seductive. Seeing one of those expensive gym walking machines converted into a bore pump is great. It could be any country, any socio-economic or minority group. I want to wander around and see this post-catastrophic society deal on a logistic and infrastructure level. You can keep your post-apocalyptic wastelands, speculative fiction makes for much more interesting scenarios. Albeit, this could go either way, but the detail seems to be there.

    @JeffGrubb I’d have to disagree with not being able to enjoy something you disagree with. It’s only fair to balance political persuasions. I listen to a fair share of left-to-left leaning centrist political discourse, but only for the fact I listen to conservative and right wing viewpoints as well. The entire gamut is fascinating. One thing with games is, at least for me, if it’s not a system that examines the systems themselves – ala, most games from Paradox – it runs the risk of being a preachy mess. And as much as there’s a lot to hate about right-wingers, there’s equally as much groan-material within the left. (As a personal anecdote, I count the HBO dramatisation of the Wannsee conference ‘Conspiracy’ as one of my favourite and most poignant of films – not because I’m a genocidal Nazi sympathiser, but due to the system that produced the ideology and the political machinations therein. And the stellar acting doesn’t hinder the experience, either).

    Personally, I don’t think Infinite will be a blatant mess. But I don’t think it’ll make the majority of mouth-breathers or sheer regular Joes question anything further than when to press the reload button. Infinite will provide great discussion in the Squawk, it’ll make for great articles in glossy magazines, but like most entertainment artifacts with intellectual propensity, it’ll matter to the people it was always going to matter to. Outside of that, it’ll be a wild ride for most, enforced by a distinct artistic style and ‘good story’.

    I don’t want to sell pundits short, either. Undoubtedly a small section of Bioshock players found themselves wanting to check out Atlas Shrugged (although, Rand’s work is hideously overblown and sophomoric at the best of times) to see what the inspiration was. Hopefully there’s a growth of political ideology awareness to come out of Infinite for some people, but I agree with @sinfony that the medium would work much better as a retrospective, rather than a contemporary mirror.

  • Jeff Grubb 4:42 am on September 23, 2010 Permalink
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    Can we talk about Bioshock Infinite?

    How wonderful is it that gaming seems to be on the forefront of the response to the nationalistic, tea-party, anti-immigration right-wing resurgence? Sci-fi has typically been the first to the conversation for difficult topics, and videogames and sci-fi go hand-in-hand.

    Of course, throughout the history of the videogame industry the money was coming from a publisher who was almost always funding all games as products. Toys to be sold to the masses. Due to this there has been an almost blanket ban on social commentary in gaming.

    Even when politics would slip into a game it would be about a more general concept than a response to the current rhetorical climate of the nation. The original Bioshock comes to mind. That game was a response to the absurdity of Ayn Rand’s philosphy — a concept that has been around for decades, but has made a comeback.

    Now, with Infinite, we are at a point where games are only trailing Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert in the line to skewer the nationalists. Not only that but this is gaming’s premiere title. The biggest game from one of the best developers in the world.

    Movies are too busy with Facebook (though Social Network seems like it is going to be amazing) and Television is obsessed with which network — cable or otherwise — can create the best anti-hero. Both those visual mediums seem to think that politics are a sour subject and they are probably right.

    Due to TV and Films passivity, there is no way to watch something with a political commentary that you hate and yet you still really enjoyed. Videogames have an advantage here. Even the scum of the Earth that we come across on Xbox Live, who by all means would hate a movie that made them question their simpleton hatred of Mexicans and Jews, could love Bioshock Infinite because it is a great game.

    Yet the whole time they will be getting doses of why they suck for being ignorant rednecks.

    I could go on. And this was a rambling mess. I’ll clean it up and make it an article. But now, it is 1AM and I have a flight at 7:30 to go play Medal of Honor… Joy?

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